Tuesday, November 6, 2018

Operations and actions

Operations involve lots of things, some of which are transactions. And, transactions are not just monetary. From the beginning, we have looked at our efforts as being a way to demonstrate examples of how to do things. Granted, this might be considered academic, but it is not. We will be discussing how some of the forward-oriented sites are moving to a better groove than we have seen, generally, to be the case. Much to discuss.

This post (CMS and more) and its predecessors discuss some of the issues. Our theme is Culture, History, Technology with a model focused on the particularities associated with Thomas and Margaret (Fryer) Gardner with respect to all aspects through time. In short, the American dream from its inception.

So, we are at a crossroad, decision point. Our early work was research oriented with the intent of regular publishing. We have started the print part with two printed volumes of The Gardner Annals. There is a lot more to do which needs regular work and support. There are many ways to accomplish this, however some choices are pending. These will not be made without a study of what has gone down the past 20 to 10 years. The first? Commerce on the internet. The second, Job's gift and its perturbations of social norms. Yes, the analysis of norms will go way back to the beginning (400 years) and beyond.

This type of work does involve genealogy and family. We started at first using manually written ahnentafels with an accompanying essay. However, the work on WikiTree shows how we could proceed using tools; frankly, it is an impressive environment compared to some looked at over the years. It was through means of wikitree that we settled the issues with Margaret as the 1st wife of two. The matter is still open to discussion. BTW, the index at TGSoc.org has generated traffic as it points back to the blog; there is a lot more to do.

Compliments of:
Green Inspired
The improvements that we need will be managed according to safe, mature, smart and other preferred modes of operations. If we pick up off the shelf, it'll be warily. Quite frankly, it ought to be fun to do our own thing. I see plenty of examples of people waking up to the need to scale down the . For us, we're looking at 'truth engineering' which is much apropos to what the TGS has taken as a goal. Members? We want to resurrect the Old Planters Society, that is, the one whose voice was The Massachusetts Magazine. As an aside, it's scope was anything outside of the Plymouth region, with Massachusetts as key, of course.

There are many options. Some have been explored. All of this is being blogged. However, in the meantime, we will continue with at a snail pace, until we put into place an improved process (I like the approach taken by Phi Kappa Phi - see Donate and On-line Store buttons on the banner). But, it was interesting to see The JSS still using checks in the snail mail.

We will soon put out an order form for the printed volumes. The only thing missing will be the address which is attainable via email.

Aside, anyone interested in technology is welcomed to jump in. Let us hear from you.

Remarks: Modified: 11/06/2018

11/06/2018 --

Tuesday, October 30, 2018

The Gardiner that was

Note: 11/13/2018 -- Note the log at San Francisco, August 1850, with ships seen in the southern Pacific and the links to information about these ships (being updated) including corroboration of being at Pitcairn Island in June of 1850. What cargo was obtained in New Zealand? Other questions abound.

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The following comment was left, today, at this page: The Gardiner that was. We left one in 2014, but it never appeared. So, we're trying, again.

The town got its start with material on the boat plus salvage of the boat, itself. They ought to be interested in who funded their beginnings.

We intend to re-write the paper.

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    We first wrote a note (here) in 2014 (it never appeared) when the query first came in (from an Oregon resident) to Gardner Research. Who was this Mr. Gardiner?

    In 2014/15, after researching the topic, we published an article on H.D. Gardiner (his brother, C.F.) and their barque, Bostonian. They were, in part, shipbuilders, so they had many vessels. As well, we had a little information about H.D. and his family.

    As one looks around, there are lots of different tales. We are trying to pull all of these together.  After four years, we have a lot of gathered material to look at. And, we ought to get the story in a better mode. In fact, we want to start a specific page for H.D. so that people can read about this incident as well as the following events.

    The barque left Boston in July of 1849. It arrived in San Francisco in January of 1850. It was carrying liquor which we learn from an ad in the S.F. paper. But, we also know this as it was noted in Boston prior to departure. In April of 1850, the barque was in New Zealand picking up supplies. We know this from the Southern Cross. It was remarked that they did that jaunt in only 45 days. We have a timeline of the barque's activities prior to its leaving Boston. It was speedy and set some records.

    A couple of official reports note that Captain __ Boyling was commanding. There were casualties in the area. One report gives their name. After the wreck, but still associated. Some reports note Snelling as commanding whom we have researched, too. He was on the Kate Heath when it returned to S.F.

    Recently, Coffin was mentioned as he also is in some reports. All of these are of New England, so we are interested.

    The reason for this note, in part, is that we want to update the article with the additional information. In doing so, we would like to hear more about this story.

    An overview: https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2016/03/more-on-gold-rush.html

    Sponsored by Gardner Research of the Thomas Gardner Society, Inc.
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Remarks: Modified: 11/13/2018

11/06/2018 -- As I mention, I have a slew of material gathered about this subject that will be of use at some point. We have had contact with the family. In general, the western expansion studies will continue.

11/07/2018 -- We attempted to contact interested parties via the Wikipedia page for Gardiner, Oregon (see Talk page). So, today, I pulled the sections together, pointing here. There might be different motivations. We came at this due to a query from an Oregon resident about Mr. Gardiner. And, we had to look at the ship, too. The site has a history that needs to be looked at further.

For starters, let's look at  images from different sources. Some of these will have already used in this blog. Others will be new. As well, we need to look at the overall context of this research.

As this shows, the Bostonian brought a supply of alcohol. It says that in August of 1850, this had been on board since May of 1849. The ship left Boston in July of 1849. The passenger list was published. See Henry D. Gardiner (Remarks: 03/17/2015)

This is a timeline that we put together that was published in late 2014 in The Essex Genealogist. The image is from the manuscript for The Gardner Annals, Vol. II, No 1. There are other reports that will be published as this work continues.

In March of 1848, there were duties paid in Boston on nine thousand gallons of liquor. So, the load to San Francisco would not have been the first. That load was picked up in May of 1849. The barque left Boston in July of that year and arrived in the January of the next year. See Sourced timeline for barque Bostonian, dated 7 Apr 2015.

This is the context: A History of the Pacific Northwest as well as the extent of the gold fever along the west coast.

11/08/2018 -- We want to detail some of the issues related to the loss. We see that three men died in the area. As reported by the captain of the Kate Heath. However, losing a ship is costly, itself, upon which is piled the cargo. Then, one has to consider lost revenue. Thirty some years earlier, lots of families had major losses due to the War of 1812 which devastated some east coast companies. C.F. and H.D. lost a later ship through its foundering while trying to rescue the crew of another vessel.

11/09/2018 -- List of passengers on the Bostonian: 23 July 1849 (Monday)
  • “In the Bostonian, for San Francisco, R L Hinckley, MD, of Belgrade, Me; Messrs Thos B Cushing [Thomas B Cushing] and Moses P Hubbard, of East Boston; Walter M Elliott of Exeter, NH.” 
We will research each of these gentlemen.


The captain of the Kate Heath got back to S.F. in December of 1850. His vessel was the first to come upon the shipwreck'd Bostonian. Note, he reports that Captain Boyling was commanding. Also, Snelling is among the passengers returning to S.F. It has been reported that Snelling was related to Gardiner and was in charge.

Aside -- Around the Horn: The Journal of a Voyage to San Francisco. William De Costa. Book review and some content, courtesy of The Missouri Review, 1 Mar 1992. In the case of the Gardiner shipwreck, there was no journal that we know of so far.

11/10/2018 -- The Bostonian, a schooner. This is reported in Volume 19 of the Oregon Historical Quarterly, page 24.

Captain Coffin and George Snelling are mentioned.

Notice that Snelling is on the Kate Heath when it returned to S.F. in December. Also, it does report deaths, after, but in the area. We need to identify the men.


Coming up will be some information about the principal players, including more about H.D. and his brothers.

For instance, who were the four passengers on the barque Bostonian when it left Boston? We know their names and their areas of residency. What became of them in S.F.?


A nice overview of the era, from the shipping view, is Arthur Hamilton Clark's The Clipper Ship Era. Chapter 7 is titled: The rush for California.


This 1851 report notes that Boyling was in command of the barque when it wrecked.

The captain of the Kate Heath gave his report after he arrived back to San Francisco in December of 1850.


1994, National Register of Historic Places Continuation Sheet (PDF Section 8, Pages 8, 9, 21). Mentions both George Snelling and Coffin as captains of the Bostonian. Also, says Henry Gardiner "owned most of the cargo."


Discussion on ancestry[dot]com: about George Snelling (UK variety).


1853, U.S.P.O. Directory (George at Gardiner OR).

Letters to Joseph Lane (Oregon's Governor, Congressman) from George L. Snelling (13 May 1854 to 29 Jan 1855 (5 items). Index does not show where the letters originated (by this time, George was in Massachusetts).


Some of the letters are on-line. Joseph mentions that George left Oregon and married. There are references to business exchanges from Massachusetts.


Summary: George was born in 1827 to John Snelling and Charlotte Swain. George L. Snelling married Anna Crocker on 24 July 1854 (Mass Vital Records) in Cambridge. Rev. Abbott Smith did the honors.  George is in the city directory (Boston) in 1856. He was with Crocker & Co. George died in 1900 in New York City. He was recorded as a Sea Captain. ...

11/12/2018 -- A puzzle. 1848, Chapter 319 - Massachusetts General Court: George Henry Snelling may take the name of George Lester Snelling. Need to sort this out: there are two George Ls; is this the George? There is, at least, one other case of name change related to this study that I saw four years ago and will go back and pull out.

Now that we have Lane's letters and established that George returned to Massachusetts, we can get the Vital Records for him, Anna, and others. We will be updating the article after we settle issues. Then, another whole view is apropos as the story has interest from many perspectives. For instance, what was the barque Bostonian up to from Jan of 1850 until Sep of 1850?


George remarried in 1861. That is, there is a George L. Snelling with John & Charlotte for parents. This, again, is in Mass Vital Records. The groom was 34 (so 1827). The couple were married in Somerville, MA.  What happened to Anna?

George was initiated into the Masons in Dec. of 1855, Hiram Lodge in Massachusetts.

His mother, Charlotte, was daughter of William and Miriam Swain of Deer Isle, Hancock, Maine and was born in 1802. His parents married 06 Jun 1824 in Boston.


Back to Gardiner. We have a lot more information on H.D. and his brother, C.F. For instance, this look at one of their products: Looking at Gardiner’s Rheumatic and Neuralgic Compound. This post mentions C.F. quite a bit. The link to Dr. Silvester was correct. The lineage of C.F. and H.D. is mentioned in the book written about the descendants of George Gardiner of Rhode Island. H.D.'s grandfather, Gideon, was first cousin of Dr. Silvester who was a loyalist. H.D. dropped his first name, Silvester.


This we see from the Daily Alta California, Volume 1, Number 195, 14 Aug 1850 (will get a better transcription, this one was automatic) ---
  • Per barque Bostonian, Mar. — Lat. 4 18 north, long. 147 50 west, ship Wm. C. Nye, [Samuel] Rose [Captain], of New London, 10 mos out, 1700 whale, 45 sperm, pound to N. W. coast; April 11, lat 32 05 south, long 176 27 east, ship Swift, [Frederick] Vincent, of New Bedford, 9 mos out. 280 bbls sperm; George, [Arthur H.] Clark, N. B., 28 mos out, 600 sperm; barque Sol[omon] Saltus, [James C.] Stafford, Fall River, 24 mos out, 500 sperm; June 27, Pitcairn's Island in sight, barque Hoogly, of Warren, R. I. 10 mos out, 40 bbls sperm at Bay of Islands, ship Sally Ann, [Jethro] Brooks, N. B. full, sailed for home, April 21; April 24, left do, schr Alfred, [JP] Davenport, N, B., 300 sperm, for Sydney to refit, thence to this port, whaling and freighting; May 30, at Port Nelson, N, Z. Am ship Orion, Ray, for this port.
The ship went south to New Zealand. Evidently the liquor was still on-board, but it picked up other material. Ships signaled each other and reported their sightings when in port. So, in the log, ships recorded were by time: March - William C. Nye (Rose); April - Swift (Vincent), George (Clark), barque Sol Saltus (Stafford); May, Orion (Ray), Alfred (Davenport); June barque Hoogly (); Sally Ann (Brooks). The log indicates that the barque Bostonian was at Bay of Islands in June.


11/13/2018 -- Cleaning up the transcription. Also, for each vessel, a bit of additional information has been identified.
In terms of the Orion which the Bostonian saw in May, by 1 July 1850, it was in San Francisco about to  be auctioned off. Did the crew abandon ship in order to pursue the hot item of the time, gold? 


Now, let's go the southern media of the time. The image on the left is from The Southern Cross, 23 April 1850. The article provides 2nd hand information about the barque Bostonian. Then, it scoffs.

Social media by wind speed was no less of a problem space as we find with the light speed mode. The purpose was to obtain timber and potatoes.

The image on the right is from The Southern Cross, 26 April 1850. Or, three days later, the sighting is confirmed. The article turns to discussing trade with California which makes things interesting.

The same issue notes arrival of prisoner ships.

In reading the newspaper, one cannot help but think that a Brit brain was languishing in the southern areas and was bored to tears. On the other hand, it is nice to read the flowery and flowing verbiage.


HD's grandfather was Gideon. His father was John. HD dropped Silvester from his name.


Futures -- We'll have a re-look at the Gardiner family. Also, there needs to be some collection of things to change, such as the database sponsored by the Nantucket Historical Society and a list of on-going items needing more research. Will start a new article for the next issue of The Gardner Annals that will include an update to H.D. plus add in Snelling, Coffin and others. All of these are our cousins. Need to look further at Boyling. Finally, the ship met at sea with 'wind' time as a type of social media. At least, they did not abandon the barque Bostonian and take off for the oil fields. There were many ships left to drift in the area. One estimate said hundreds. Boston, itself, sent over one hundred ships to the left coast.

Monday, October 29, 2018

Print - TGA III, IV and GB IV, V, VI, VII

The Thomas Gardner Society, Inc. publication is available that includes Volumes III and IV of The Gardner Annals which is our means of reporting results of research and review. Included, as an appendix, are Volumes IV, V, VI, and VII of Gardner's Beacon, the newsletter of our organization.

Instructions for ordering copies are available by contacting us at publications@tgsoc.org.

Also available is our print of TGA I, II and GB I, II, III from October of 2017.

Remarks: Modified: 10/29/2018

10/29/2018 --

Wednesday, October 24, 2018

Gardner families and Maine

Our goal is to get five generations documented. Actually, coming forward to 1900 would be a better goal. This post looks at the current state of affairs using one state.

There were several Gardner/Gardiner families in Maine, including descendants of other Gardners, such as George of Rhode Island. We have several posts on these, such as Henry D. Gardiner and Gardner CO.

There are, at least, two families that we know about that descend from Thomas and Margaret. This post provides information about them.
  • Ebenezer (31 March 2011) -- Ebenezer (#123) left Salem and ended up in Nova Scotia. With the conflict of the American Revolution, he came south and was given land in Maine. He is a descendant of Samuel (#6) in the book through Abel (#59) and then Thomas (#76). There was a book written about the family in 1898: The Gardner Family of Machias and Vicinity. There is a web site based upon 1909 work by G.T. Little,  sponsored by the State of Maine: Genealogical and Family History - Gardner.  
  • William -- He is a descendant of Samuel (#6) through Abel (#59), then Israel (#77). There is a book by Stanley Israel Gardner that published in 1986: The Gardner Family of Maine. The book is being digitized.  
These two give us a start on collecting the first five generations. Samuel had several other children, be sides Abel. And, Abel had other children. The following image shows the full two generations from Samuel.

In the image, the red arrows show the Ebenezer line. The blue arrow is for Israel which is truncated. I put in the line for Dr. Frank for reference (green arrow).

 We have our work cut out for us. Dr. Frank only expanded on child of Samuel, namely Abel. I will go to WikiTree and see how many of these I can find.

Remarks: Modified: 10/25/2018

10/25/2018 -- Will be using WikiTree (Samuel/Abel).

Saturday, October 20, 2018

CMS and more

That's a use of 'CMS' in the context of content. And, context, itself, has levels. In our case, now, the scaling requires more automation. And, growth will be along the simple format that has been adopted. Yes, we'll provide capability without unnecessary flash.

See this page for some discussion of what has been done since 2010 (TGS - Technology and practice). It provides the stepwise look, from 2010 and seems to be in a two-year step. In that same time period, the content has really grown. We just published the last two volumes of The Gardner Annals with issues of Gardner's Beacon. So, that means that we have four volumes of TGA in print. There are plans for many more.

Note: We are looking for articles.

With the print, we are handling orders and shipping, using snail mail. So, we can look to leverage off of existing work, except we are non-profit. There are many groups that offer to support the non-commercial. Even Facebook wants to help. Who to trust? Yes, indeed. That is a central notion to discuss. The Thomas Gardner Society, Inc. is calling attention the the need. We are not alone, however there is a lot of discussion to happen and work to be done.

Now, one nice little thing found today was something out of MIT (UIkit). We will look further, but this is a needed resource (or something like it). Too, we need ERP or accounting system functions which the 'cloud' seems to have to offer, even for the non-profit. Imagine, even Salesforce.

Just like I did with the move from Microsoft's Office Live to Webhosting Hub, I will blog throughout this process and use a category related to the theme (CMS and more - let's say, squeezing of the jewels).

Since we have manual processes, there is no hurry. I'll be poking around, especially looking at where things might be more awry than not; of course, defining the situation and what might be wrong. But, anyone who wants to weigh in and help (thereby slimming down the timeline) can do so.

Remarks: Modified: 10/28/2018

10/24/2018 -- As said, we started with Microsoft's OfficeLive. MS pushed everyone off in 2012. So, I looked at the industry. Still have the notes. I went with Web Hosting Hub due to several factors, but a huge one was that they were Linux which which I was familiar (long years of Unix). Now, we're going to step up to SSL and handling funds. So, it was nice to read an article that compares Hub with its competitors: Web Hosting Hub Review: The Good, Bad & My Experience. Essentially, the decision of six years ago was right on; going with a larger effort would probably lead to using inMotion which is their compatriot (super dude). We need our own blog. Right now, we're using blogger.com (Google) and Word Press (thomasgardnerofsalem) which we can easily move over to Hub. One reason for this is in the 'free' mode, one has ads to contend with.

10/28/2018 -- Going mobile caused a type of convergence of design. For some of the older sites (who have a long history and adopted the web early), the movement to the newer look has been interesting to watch. Usually, it is portal-level work that has been updated. Once one gets into the guts, it's the same as before. Actually, we (old timers) ought to be thankful for that. Also, the web builders have abounded. I tried some in 2012 and later. Need to summarize this effort, again. Ran into one example today that piqued my interest: Phi Kappa Phi. What got my attention was the contribution page and the on-line store page. Both of these are clean and simple. And, the underlying software is out of Computer Systems Innovations, such as CSiDonate.

Wednesday, October 17, 2018

New twist

Note: See Remarks, 11/14/18, for a view of the colonial (via Perley) with the modern (via Google). We will now be able to do a "missing tombstone Tuesday" for awhile.

Sidney comes through, again. First of all, he and Dr. Frank worked together. Then, Lucie picked up Sidney's work and published such in The Massachusetts Magazine. So, expect to hear more about Sidney and his work, such as the following.

Of late, I have been trying to assess what happened to the bodies at Gardner Hill. When I first started this work, the general thing was there was a transfer to Harmony Grove Cemetery. That is, everyone was moved nicely. Re-interned, in other words. But, where in the Cemetery? By the Peabody gate? And, one write up says, well, it was only a handful of yards. In fact, there is misinformation everywhere I go to read on this topic.

So, we'll post an improvement once we know a little more.

Well, let's look at Sidney's map (The Essex Antiquarian, Vol VI, No 4, October 1902, pg 149). He shows the burial plot as being north of the Trask one. Too, it is toward Boston/Main. So, according to the scale, we're talking a couple hundred of yards.

Of course, Sidney did this from the ground, given his times. However, he was thorough so I accept his depiction. According to the satellite map of Google, we are talking almost 1,000 feet (well, 300 yards).

However, there is a winkle. Dr. Frank saw notes from Samuel Pickering Gardner where he mentioned his visit to the burial plot in the 1830s, before the road work, and some stones had already been moved and some broken. In other words, graves were already lost in terms of identification. All for commerce. Of course, Samuel P. was upset.

And, Samuel P. said that the seller was William (Harvard grad, so we're talking a secular influence more than mere money - well, it's a debate that continues) who I am researching further (How close is close?). He is a descendant of Samuel (#6 in the book), son of Thomas. Now, Samuel P. is a descendant of George (#3 in the book), who was the brother of Samuel. In this map, the Samuel who owned the plot north of Abel is a son of George. And, Samuel's plot is right above Abel's who was a son of the original Samuel.     

This re-look came about since I heard this year that stones were moved. What? The bodies were cast into the river? Gosh, the fire? Payback? So, we can say, some. How many? Who was there? We need to research this. Where to start? All sorts of questions.

Well, this is more of a story than the witch thing that is so popular, somewhat. We have culture (Harvard and not), history (the rush to do shoes, etc.), and technology. I'm trying to envision how Gardner Hill was leveled. Too, what was the elevation change? All of this can be answered one way or another.

However, Sidney saves the day. He mentions that some bodies were moved to Trask's plot. That makes a whole lot of sense. So, thank you, Trask family. Their plot was closer, actually, than Harmony Grove. It wasn't commercial (don't worry, I have been gathering the history of the place, before, after and so forth).

So, we now have three classes of people: those whose remains were moved to Harmony Grove, those whose remains went to Trask's plot, and those whose remains were lost due to the stones being removed to allow for industrial expansion. Then, we can talk the different classes of stones. Not many survived. Two trophy stones stand in Harmony Grove (placating the conscience?). We may not be able to identify all who were put into Gardner's burial ground, but we ought to make an effort. Now of those were moved to Trask, did the stones go with them? Of course, many may not have had stones.

At least, we need to get the verbiage in an improved state in order to tell the story a little better.

Of course, the seller did not get the buyer to honor the 'in perpetuity' that was supposedly left behind. Ah, lots of other angles to look at, too.

Remarks: Modified: 11/14/2018

11/14/2018 -- Finally, getting somewhere. Pushed this image up to the New England Family and Genealogy group on Facebook with comments. Too, it shows the deal. In essence? Stones were moved in the 1820s and 1830s and piled. Hence, graves location were lost. One of these was that of Thomas Gardner. We want an inventory of the others. How to do this?
#3 was the burial plot on the side of Gardner's Hill (#4). #2 is Trask's plot to which some bodies were moved in the 1840s. Some graves may have been moved to #6 which is across the river. However, stones were moved as #6 claims. The real issue is that re-internment has become the assumption. Not, people. We need to weed this out. The irony? The current #4 spot is the site of The Holy Ghost Society which was built by Portuguese immigrants.

Locales and their history

A 100 years ago, there was a huge growth in interest in local history. This was everywhere. At the same time, people got interested, again, in genealogy. If you look at the books written, a slew came out in that period. Some families started post-Civil-War.

Of course, the New England Historic Genealogical Society got its start in the 1830s. They are going strong. Dr. Frank started his The Massachusetts Magazine in 1908. That was right after his 1907 book on Thomas Gardner (Planter) - motivation for this Society - came out. It went on for a decade, covering a variety of subject.

Our theme comes from that, too: culture/history/technology. Now, recall that technology is broad and would include genealogy. As, those slew of books? Many are more misinformation than not. Fortunately, Dr. Frank took care when researching for and writing his.

Nowadays, we see the influence of the web which surpasses what print could do. It can spread mischief further and faster, too. But, it'll be around in one form or another. We are trying to establish a stable, trustworthy presence there, that would get Cape Ann more well known, in all aspects, including, of course, the people: Thomas and Margaret with their cohorts.

A couple of years ago, we adopted an additional view, related to the western movement. New England drove some of that. In fact, before the Civil War there was a partitioning of locales according to which side it was put. Kansas was free; Col. Higginson went there to bring support to the free state'rs. He wrote of his experiences.

Besides the re-look at history and people (families), groups formed. We mentioned the NEHGS. There was the Old Planters Society. D.A.R. formed. All over the country, D.A.R. helped bring a historical focus.

This is one example: Wichita, KS. Note the digital copy is at archive[dot]org. It was published in 1914 by the oldest chapter of D.A.R. in Wichita (formed 1896). The Chapter had daughters of Patriots, known as 'Real daughters' (see related page). Too, the Chapter sponsored research into the Santa Fe Trail (see History&Preservation page).

In 2020, there will be celebrations of the arrival of the Mayflower (400th). The Cape Ann crew came not long after, founding Massachusetts. Virginia already had their 400th in 2007. BTW, Kansas had its in 1941 giving a nod to de Coronado's visit.

For the 300th anniversaries, there were many celebrations. Salem had a historic pageant. Dr. Frank played Roger Conant. His sister was

So, as we explore the spread of Thomas and Margaret descendants (and their collateral families) and look at "All things Gardner" over the next few years, the theme of locales will be constant.

Remarks: Modified: 10/17/2018

10/17/2018 --

Saturday, October 13, 2018

Gentleman, every man, and much more

Right now, this post has links to posts from several different points in time. We are reviewing the posts as a means to assess the research done so far, to see where we need to put more attention, and to lay out future research.

This is one theme of many that will be of continual interest. It has to do with Thomas. But, we will focus on Margaret, too. For the kids? We need to get the first five generations identified. Then, there are a slew of topics that are general, such as The Massachusetts Magazine, collateral families, WikiTree (technology, in general), and such.

These posts are all from the TGS blog except for the last one. As well, there will be things pulled from work being done on Quora.

A related theme deals with Rev. Hubbard who talked to people of the time. And, wrote then, too. He gets no respect (we'll look at that). Yes, the Roger Dangerfield of that era.

Note to genealogists: People have being without your weighing in with your assessment of documents. In fact, your research does not make the 'truth' of the matter. You people are mere servants; get over yourselves.

Remarks: Modified: 10/13/2018

10/13/2018 --

Reviews and news

Back in April of 2015, we did a matrix of metrics related to posts per month. The blog started in September of 2010. So, that four complete years and two partial years. The month and year that had the highest number of posts were marked.

It goes like this. Read and read. Then, when some threshold is met, write. Given that the blogger is a novice in this area, there was more reading than writing. Good sign? So, the two years that had a month with a good number of posts were 2011 and 2014. So, what was going on in those months? Well, we can look at the title of the posts and get some idea.

Also, note that the blog uses Remarks which can be quite extensive. So, rather than making another posts, most of the time, there is something added to an existing post. We'll go back and see which of the posts had the most extensions over the years.

So, going forward, here is a report that adds in the other years. It provides the table of counts and then, shows the titles of the posts for the months that were maximum for the given year. 

In August of 2011 (seven posts), the topics covered were contributions by John Goff, mentioning of Isabella of the museum, taking notice of the house built in the first year in Cape Ann, and a few other topics, like Gardner's Beacon, Vol. I, No. 3. But, note that there is a post which is titled 'True gentleman' that will be the topic of a coming post and article. It has to do with the fact that Conant was patted on the back for giving the reins to Endicott when he arrived. He was called a gentleman for letting loose of the power. Well, prior to that Gardner bowed to Conant. And, he and Margaret (we can use that name, folks) moved out of the house. The house? Yes, the one that Higginson, later, exulted about in his writings about New England. It was the fair house where Endicott provided a feast for Winthrop when he first arrived.

Note: all of this was written in various posts and in articles in Gardner's Beacon.

So, we'll get something from that review. Now, going to 2014, there was July and September with six posts each. In July, the posts dealt with John Gardner's early years, the source of the 'first governor' label that someone attached to Thomas, and issues related to Gardner's Beacon (now in the fourth volume) and the website. But, incorporation details were being wrapped up, to boot. So, that was a varied lot.

In September, the topics were The Gardner Annals which was in Volume I and provides our means to report research activities and finding. Guess what? That was the month that John Cook was querying about 'whence' issues and noted that there was a marriage notice that had been digitized. At the time, I posted the news at WikiTree (see the tree for Dr. Frank). This year, there was a discussion about the three wives proposed by Anderson of NEHGS, however we can now show that there were two.

We took these two years, 2011 and 2014, since they were covered in the earlier post. Next up, we'll look at the remaining years. In the meantime, the table is through September of 2018.
Note: at some point, will put in links to posts dealing with these subjects.

Remarks: Modified: 10/13/2018

10/13/2018 --

Sunday, September 30, 2018

TGA III and IV, print of

At long last (early discussion, June) and with the summer being over, we have completed the compilation for print of The Gardner Annals, Vols. III and IV, and Gardner's Beacon, Vols. IV, V, VI, and VII. This is a preview look (see Table of Contents, below), from the publisher. 

We have ordered both color and black/white copies and expect to receive our shipment from the printers within the week. Instructions for ordering can be obtained by notifying us at publications@tgsoc.org. 

The issue contains all of the Table of Contents for The Massachusetts Magazine. Too, we have articles concerning history and genealogy. As well, future topics are discussed, briefly. 

Remarks: Modified: 10/14/2018

10/14/2018 -- We have the printed copies in house, reading for shipping.

Saturday, September 22, 2018

Comment and Criticism

We will have our second print (TGA Vol III and IV) soon as preparatory activities are drawing to a close. We recently got notice of an error in one of the early articles (TGA Vol II No 1 - Henry D. Gardiner and the barque Bostonian). Before that, I noticed some minor errors in the first print edition. For example, in TGA  Vol I No 1, I typed 1935 rather than 1933 (twice) while referencing Dr. Frank's Gardner Memorial book. Then, I noticed that the footnotes ought to have refreshed across major sections. This is corrected in the second print.

But, we had already run into some issues with Gardner's Beacon. In that case, we created Afterthoughts and modifications to handle those. For example, in GB Vol III, No 4, I had used something read on the web without verifying the thing (tsk). The implication that I read was that Damaris' first husband had been discovered. Well, it was not true, and I was too much of a newbie to know the difference. In any case, we later heard from an excited Shattuck descendant wanting to know more. So, I traced my steps which is crucial and found out that the website was gone. Ah.

Incidentally, this happens a lot on ancestry (pity those poor folks) and carries even into WikiTree. It's not the bloom off the rose, but it is tiring. How can we make it better? Well, be more careful. And, there are ways to do this. Too, one sees it in Wikipedia, especially when someone writes an erroneous page to begin with.

So, this from an entry in What's new (general one for TGS, for now).
It points to a post on Nantucket and the wonderful work of Eliza Starbuck Barney. The Nantucket site exults on their being true to Eliza's work. Yes. But, as I have seen all over, no one seems to have a way to present corrections. The proverbial tale is that a correction is in small print on page 15 in a 40 page paper. But, we need to do better; and, the TGS does have an interest in this.

So, we will keep with the afterthought approach with Gardner's Beacon. What to do with TheGardner Annals? We'll follow Dr. Frank, hence the title of this post. In his The Massachusetts Magazine, he had a section that was titled, usually, Comment and Criticism. See the TOC of Vol. VII (example from No 4). The sub-heading is "On books and other subjects" which is more broad than handling errata. However, any correction ought to be more than mere overwriting.

So, in the case of H.D. Gardiner, we will write an article on this. Turns out that this wife was a Thomas Gardner descendant, too. And, it involves movement from New England. Ah,  yes, the western migration.

So, there is a page on TGSoc.org dealing with Publications. It will point to this post, however we will be introducing changes to ThomasGardnerSociety.org that will include the facility to meet this requirement.

Remarks: Modified: 09/15/2018

09/15/2018 --

Wednesday, September 19, 2018

Pressing day

Now that we have Dr. Frank's pedigree in WikiTree, we can use it for articles.

This post is timely in that Giles Corey died on the 19th of September in 1692. Three days later, his wife (Martha Corey) was hanged with others. Two of these are ancestors of Dr. Frank (Wikipedia -- Samuel Wardwell and Mary Ayers Parker) -- (WikiTree -- Samuel Wardwell and Mary Ayers Parker) through his grandmother, Lucy Foster (Wilson) Gardner.

Now, the title? Giles was pressed for a couple of days before he succumbed. His friend, John Gardner son of Thomas and Margaret, was there.

The topic of 1692 events will come up for discussion in the near future. To facilitate this discussion, here are related posts for reference:
  • Great Salem Fire of 1914 (4 Jun 2014) -- Started on upper Boston Street and ran down to the shore. 
  • Andover ordeal (28 Apr 2014) -- While researching Samuel and Mary, we were following the Wilson line of Lucy. There were two generations that married and doubled down on the witch connections. Samuel's granddaughter lost twelve of fourteen of her children in their childhood. 
  • Essex recollections (3 Sep 2013) -- About the extended family and friends of Francis Dane who were impacted by the Salem madness.   
  • Meeting, again (10 Feb 2013) -- More background. 
  • Imagine a meeting (28 Oct 2012) -- Provides some background and builds a table of participant who were not victims and who are related to Dr. Frank. 
  • Gardner's Beacon, Vol. II, No. 5 (27 Oct 2012) -- John Goff, Salem antiquarian, wrote of the Witch House. The theme of this post was a continuation. 
  • 1692 theme, again (24 Oct 2012) -- Comments while getting Gardner's Beacon Vol. II, No. 5. ready for release. 
  • Salem's madness (19 Nov 2011) -- The English had been mad before. 
  • Gardner's Beacon, Vol. I, No. 4 (21 Oct 2011) -- Got into the theme early. First look at how the incident related to the Gardner family. 
  • Ruth Gardner (18 Sep 2011) -- Daughter of George Gardner, wife of John Hathorne. 
The next issue of Gardner's Beacon will go into this subject a little more. Namely, the commercially exploited look at the witches who were not while 150 graves were disturbed from which event we need to know how many were just stone moves with the remains moved without due notice. One thing to do would be to get a list of people, as best we can, who were buried on Gardner Hill. 

Remarks: Modified: 10/10/2018

10/10/2018 -- Added Essex recollections, and others. 

Saturday, September 15, 2018

Dr. Frank and WikiTree

Earlier, we mentioned that we had Dr. Frank's notes about his heritage from around the 1907 timeframe. The first exercise was to use his notes to check his Gardner pedigree against what Gardner Research had come up with starting from scratch almost 100 years later. The two views matched up. Of course, we had his books as reference. But, we have filled in the entire tree with the collateral families. In this day and age, we have a lot more information available since the www has forced things to an on-line mode. Too, communication is much faster (albeit, still errorful due to many reasons).

But, the question came up about public presentation since Gardner Research information is in a private, personalized environment, at the moment. Well, about the time that the marriage notice of Thomas and Margaret came up, we had gone to Wikitree to put in a link on the Thomas Gardner page. That was 2014. There had been a bit of discussion now and then, but, this year, the focus came back. So, this was accomplished: Margaret, anew. Essentially, we can declare that Thomas and Margaret were the parents of the children (notice that the first two nodes have the same information; the idea will be to merge these so that there are two spouses: Margaret and Demaris).

So, while that was going on, it seemed like a good time to try out WikiTree (what else? Not ancestry, for several reasons). If you look at the Profile of JMSwitlik (section on WikiTree), you will see the projects that are ongoing. Some of this was done by using ahnentafels from articles written in The Essex Genealogist or in The Gardner Annals to make profiles. In all cases, we got back to a Profile that already existed. In many cases, that Profile listed the known children. All we did was link in and bring up-to-date information related to a descendant.

But, Dr. Frank seemed to be a good subject (Frank Augustine Gardner (1861-1938)). The image is of his Profile and includes the first page of his ancestors graph ('Ancestors' button). To note is that we have 13 of 16 of his 2nd-great-grands. We have information about the others, however this needs checking before filling out the Profile.

With regard to the referenced projects, there are a lot more in process. However, with these, the focus was on Profiles in order to get familiar with the WikiTree ways (that is, get nodes into the tree). On each Profile, there is minimal source material; however, we have many sources and will be going back to fill in additional source material.

In doing Dr. Frank's biography (brief), we noted his sister, Lucie M. She picked up his work when Sidney Perley retired and published her work in The Massachusetts Magazine. Also, we noted that they were descendants of Nathaniel Eaton (as is Ann, TGS Secretary/Treasurer), and the link is there (pick Rebecca Knapp, wife of Simon Stacey Gardner). However, in doing his mother's line, we see that he is a descendant of Damaris Shattuck. So, he descends from both wives of Thomas. Lots more stuff coming.

For instance, taking Rebecca Knapp, we know her pedigree. For instance, she has Edward Woodman who was early into Newbury. This exercise tried to stay within things that have been proven by having been bumped up against a genealogist from one of the Heritage Society Community's groups that meet in D.C. each spring. That, folks, is about the best way to test these things. Our continuing issue? Even WikiTree has flim-flam. How to mark these would be something to figure out. In the meantime, note that the TGS will only put out things that have been scrutinized.

All and all, the work of the past few months has been a very good exercise. WikiTree has constraints in place that really help the genealogists. I like that. Too, they are Wiki in scope which is real nice (will discuss).

Remarks: Modified: 09/15/2018

09/15/2018 --

Wednesday, August 15, 2018

How close is close?

In the last post, we summarized several queries concerning the current state of Thomas (The remains of Thomas). What does state mean? Well, the norm would be for the remains to be in the ground under the stone. If they are not, usually there is some explanation.

The following is the start of some sleuthing that is needed to establish the 'state' of many others, not just Thomas Gardner (planter).

Modern (left), earlier (right)
Where is Thomas? III
1. In his earlier book, Dr. Frank (1907) wrote that court records indicated that Gardner Hill was around Main and Grove in Salem (lower red line, image). That means, too, the old burial ground. In other places, I have seen arguments that Harmony Grove touches where the Gardner plot was. Well, we will see. One opinion talked about a few yards of movement from the old plot to the corner where stones were thrown. Well, how few might few be? Of note, we have to consider the North River.

Then, Dr. Frank (1933) wrote that Samuel Pickering Gardner, ancestor of the John Lowell Gardners, had visited the place (1830s?) and noted that Samuel had written his observations which Dr. Frank got to read. The place was being used for tanning operations which caused some stones to have already been thrown aside, including that of Thomas, the planter. In this image, I rotated the old and the new views to almost agree. The markings map to a few landmarks. Notice that this has the hill on the other side of the river from Harmony Grove Cemetery. That is, looking up river, to the left. So, we do have to consider the river. Too, we have to look at Trask's property and burial site as it is germane to the topics to discuss.

Perley's view
Nutfield Genealogy
2. So, I have been poking around. We can start with Perley's map that shows Salem in 1700 based upon Sidney's study of the documents (Sidney Perley 1858-1928). Also, we are talking about Frank A. Gardner, MD (1861-1938). So, these two are cohorts. When Sidney got ill, Lucie, Dr. Frank's sister, picked up his work (Lucie following Sidney). Lucie and Dr. Frank published a whole lot of material in this regard in The Massachusetts Magazine.

The image comes from the Nutfield Genealogy post on Trask (see prior paragraph for link). Notice that Gardner's Hill is next to the Trask cemetery. That is, on the same side of the river. Note, too, the bulging of the river at that point.

3. Now, if we jump ahead to a view that is later, we can see Harmony Grove on the other side of the river which has been reconfigured. If you follow the history of the river, it has been encroached upon, and polluted, to support industry. And, tanning of leather for shoes turned out to be a huge deal (for a while). Samuel, above, saw the beginning of this. In the below image, I put a red circle about where Trask's (South) burying place was. Notice the difference in the shape of the river?

Trask, now and then

All of this is preliminary to a greater study that we will do. What happened to the bones of the 150 or so souls who were buried? It is a subject worth digging into (no pun). And, Gardners have to do this work with help.

4. Finally, let me show what a little sleuthing does. We need to do a lot more. I found a map at a Brit source that was with an article on glass making in the colonies, namely in Salem: Glass blower at Salem. The article is not very old; the map seems to be of the time (however, I do not know its provenance - if it was done in 1985, then that's worse than what Sidney (who was quite thorough) did a hundred years ago).

Salem, 1692? 
There is a lot more to learn. However, we intend to push to get this settled in the sense of the most reasonable answer that we can do given what we can gather as data. There are 150 souls, perhaps, looking from some type of recognition.

We ought to, as well, get a list of the names of those buried at Gardner's Hills.

Remarks: Modified: 11/13/2018

08/16/2018 -- Added a virtual cemetery to findagrave: Gardner's Hill. With this, we can have people put memorials for those who were known to have been buried at Gardner's Hill and, at the same time, reference where they or their stones were moved. MHC Report: some hills approached 200 feet.

08/17/2018 -- Gardner's Hill on findagrave is now Gardner's Hill Burial Ground (Defunct). It points to Harmony Grove Cemetery with a few words. Also, the rule is there will be no memorials connected to this. So, we'll need to figure out another method to have a virtual view of who was buried there. For starters, we can start with a page here on this blog and improve as we go. Gardner's Hill was in the same family through seven generations. It was sold at the eighth generation. We'll be writing more about this. However, it's a gain, as when one looks at cemeteries in Salem, MA, they will see Gardner's Hill.

11/13/2018 -- With a new twist, as bodies and stones were also moved to the Trask site. Add in Sidney Perley's map of Gardner Hill.

Sunday, August 12, 2018

The remains of Thomas

Yesterday, finally, I learned the real state of the remains of Thomas. Or, let's say, we can use the observation of Samuel Pickering Gardner to establish some notion prior to the road work of the 1840s. Then, what might have happened post that bears some attention. To me, the least that we can do is build some type of 'virtual' view of Gardner Hill with its grave sites. To that, then, can be attached the large set of data points that will accrue to analysis.

For starters, we need to see overlays of old and new maps so that we can point out what might have happened over the period of the first raking off of the gravestones until now. Essentially, it is unclear how many gravestone were moved, whose bodies may have been re-interned, or just how many graves were left to be scraped by the road work or to be covered over by the progress of building. More research is to be done. Dr. Frank talked to George Augustus Gardner about, and read the, notes that George had that had been written by Samuel Pickering Gardner who had visited Gardner's Burial Ground sometime prior to the period of the road work and reported his observations.

You see, and I verified this yesterday, lots of references on-line mention words like 'graves moved' or 're-interned' or any other of the number of things that a civilized society does to its cemeteries (from my perspective which can be explained, as needed). On the other hand, after yesterday, I thought of the Salem Fire (retribution - after all, we're talking Salem) which came out of an industrial area related to shoes. The first desecration of the grave sites relate to the push for commerce in that industry. As such, by the time the roadwork was done in the 1840s, graves had already been disturbed with stones scattered about. 

Dr. Frank did see Samuel's notes and made a brief comment (see pages 17 and 18 of Gardner Memorial - 1933). That is a good place to start. In the meantime, here is a history of posts of the Thomas Gardner Society, Inc. devoted to the subject. 
  • Where is Thomas? - (Oct, 2010) On a visit to Harmony Grove, we got familiar with the layout and found the graves of Ann's Gardner ancestors. Dr. Frank is buried in the same plot as her grandfather and great-grandfather. Also, we saw the area where people are directed. It didn't make sense. Later I called and heard 'graves were moved' (but there was no clear indication where Thomas' remains were). 
  • Where is Thomas? II  - (May, 2011) Not hearing from anyone any story that made sense, I continued to search. Notice that there is an aerial view of the area where the stones were, supposedly. I did not see that myself. Too, in 2015, I noticed that Dr. Frank, in the 1933 book, does not mention 'move.'
  • Where is Thomas? III - (Aug, 2015) Motivated by a Wikipedia edit, I did further looking. One addition was a map by Perley put next to a modern aerial view where landmarks can be identified. I noted that the 'burial issue' was open and needs to be resolved. In my mind, that involved, mainly, finding where bones may have been thrown in Harmony Grove and identifying this. 
But, now I see that it is going to be more involved. Yes, bones were cast to the wind, if you would. There are many things that could be done, so expect that we will continue this discussion. Today's purpose was merely to set the record straight.

We do not know the status of the remains of a whole lot of people. Too, stones were thrown about. Well, the argument is that they broke. Okay. At least, Seeth was given some notice. Also, Buffum is noted as having the earliest stone over grounds that do not contain his remains. 

Remarks: Modified: 08/28/2018

08/28/2018 -- After some research, the fact that the stones were moved arose. So, we added a page for this cemetery, now defunct, on findagrave. Also, we can plan several tasks related to important issues, such as who was buried there, what stones stand, how many were broken, etc. As well, we can model the area as of 1640s, to get an idea of the size.

Tuesday, August 7, 2018

Margaret, anew

From the beginning, we have used Thomas and Margaret, following Dr. Frank. An example is looking at the 'great house' that John Endicott had brought over to Salem from Cape Ann: Thomas' house. About the same time, Gardner's Beacon, Vol I, No. 3, looked at Margaret, in particular, and I used "Margaret's house" in terms of that structure.

We were newbies, back then, but I had noticed that some later genealogist actually agreed with Dr. Frank, too. However, the Great Migration Begins of R.C. Anderson suggested another wife who was the mother of the children. I got several emails pointing that out to me. So, I dug in and pulled out those things being referenced. Someone has to do this now and then, as many citations follow someone else (many times, without doing their own verification).

Gardner Research will go back to first principles, if you would.
  • My first response (Sep 2012) - About Margaret - as the next bullet shows, the argument mentioned a 1639 entry in the church record. But, to me, it was Margaret; Thomas didn't align himself until 1637. Their kids were growing up, so they had to smooth the way.
  • My second response (Nov 2012) - How many wives? This post puts TAG side-by-side with the Great Migration material. The conclusion was that the NEHGS was looking at 1000s of people. The Gardners would dig into one or two, with regard to this issue. And, in the meantime, we would honor good old Dr. Frank. 
Now, in 2014, John Cook came across the marriage record of Thomas and Margaret at which point we put out the blog post. Too, I went to WikiTree as there was a profile for these two (Thomas Gardner) or should I say three? As, 'unknown' was there. At that time, I did a few things and went on as I was writing several articles (The Essex Genealogist) which have given us ahnentafels for Dr. Frank (his father's side, I now have his hand-written lineage on his mother's side which I'll key in) which includes Benjamin Brown Gardner and Lucy Foster Wilson. We're first cousins, in that sense. 

Too, I got involved in getting further informed about England and that whole environment. Of late, I got back to looking at Sherborne, for several reasons (son, John; Folger; Dr. Frank, and others). Or, I ought to say Dorset. King John loved his Corfe Castle. Queen Elizabeth is shown in a painting being carried by noblemen at Sherborne Castle (the painting is there). 

I also stopped by WikiTree to see what was happening. Well, a query had been made in 2016 as to whether the kids ought to be taken from Margaret's profile and moved to that of the unknown. So, I weighed in and mentioned the marriage record from 2014. And, I mentioned the arguments for this: Sherborne, Dorset. I mentioned the Peirce family (for more than Charles Sanders Peirce) as many families have been poking around. We are trying to gather all of this stuff. Like that of the Paine sisters. This will all be documented, and we'll put a link to the material (shortly).

As well, we need to look at references to Thomas and Margaret. One known first reference is 1827 by Felt, working in Salem, who talked to a lot of people. We may find more. Too, records are being scanned in all of the time, transcribed, and indexed. So, that will help.

Margaret Friar, baptism
After seeing the discussions, I went back to look at my records and found that John Cook had sent to me a baptism record for Margaret (see image), the marriage record of her parents (close enough in time to be her parents), and the will of Margaret's father which mentions her plus a few other things. However, her father died in 1610 so the will mentions Margaret Friar not Gardner. But, we also have birth/baptism records for the first three kids with the names matching. As an aside, we will be looking further at (introducing here) Walter Friar and Grace Mullins of Sherborne. 

About WikiTree. I found out that the genealogists hang out there. Too, they are trying to stay true to the NEHGS work plus newer stuff, as the entry on Thomas dates from the 1980s. So, the Gardner Research work is considered to be after that. 

Essentially, there was an agreement that this is the Margaret and Thomas. But, there are lots of other questions to look at. I set a time frame of five years or sooner as that would match up with the 400th of the 1623 entry. A major researcher noted that first year over 100 years ago. That is, a boat arrived in 1623 with a crew that overwintered; another came in 1624. Margaret was on the later one, according to Dr. Frank. 

Still things to settle. 

But, the purpose for this post? Well, it has been decided to merge unknown and Margaret together. So, the profile for Thomas will have Margaret and Damaris as his wives.

Again, everyone. Use, please, Thomas and Margaret without worrying about being dumped on. 

That is a first step. One of many to come. So, please stay tuned. 

Remarks: Modified: 09/23/2018

09/23/2018 --  Recently, the profile changed to having only two wives. The profile is managed by the Puritan Great Migration Project which is sponsored by NEGHS. 

Sunday, July 22, 2018

Another western movement

Since an earlier post (and several others) mentioned western movement, we need to pause and look at the environment in the 1830s. Jedediah Strong Smith went west as a young man from New England (of course, our main focus) a little earlier. As such, he was an early explorer and lived the life of a mountain man. Before Jedediah went west, we had the conflict with England. One person to study further will be Hector St. John who wandered, as a foreign visitor, at that time and went home to write about it.

Turns out that there were others of such capability. Namely, the natives already on the continent. This post looks at events in the south, which was populated from England. However, many from New England went south, too. We will be looking at that (one of many examples). Then, some went west from the south.

A lot of the west has strong New England influence. Related posts: Gardner Junction, Final Migration, Gardner CO.

Today, we want to present the words of a native leader. The words come from the address of George W. Harkins to the American People dealing with removal of the natives (related legalese).
  • It is with considerable diffidence that I attempt to address the American people, knowing and feeling sensibly my incompetency; and believing that your highly and well improved minds would not be well entertained by the address of a Choctaw. But having determined to emigrate west of the Mississippi river this fall, I have thought proper in bidding you farewell to make a few remarks expressive of my views, and the feelings that actuate me on the subject of our removal.... We as Choctaws rather chose to suffer and be free, than live under the degrading influence of laws, which our voice could not be heard in their formation.
Western movement, example
Popularly, people talk of the Trail of Tears. But, it deals with much more than that. Notice his words about wanting to be free of degrading laws. Does that not sound American?


Our theme, again: Culture, History, Technology (of which are the gene related things). In our broad sweeps, we will be sure to gather information about interaction with the natives. Thomas had peaceful relations, as did Richard and John in their leadership roles on Nantucket. But, we know issues are not simple. Yet, the stories will be told, especially given the web. We can have a more in-depth coverage from time to time.

Remarks: Modified: 07/22/2018

07/22/2018 --  

Tuesday, July 17, 2018

Whole views

People have been interested in genealogy for a long time, to wit, the Bible (from 2013, Endless genealogies, quoting Timothy). But one bogs down quickly with more than the mere brick wall. What were these people up to? What were their times like?

Oxford view
Having just gone through Dr. Frank's Massachusetts Magazine (2018, all issues) from cover to cover, I have acquired a little more understanding of one-hundred years ago, more or less. The last post (on Jedediah Smith - true mountain, and desert, man) looked at activities regarding western expansion which was post the jaunt of Lewis & Clark. Also, that post brought up the notion of a larger focus, namely: culture, history, technology (which includes genetics/genealogy). We will be discussing this, however a quote from an Oxford book of 1850, gives the proper view.

A review of posts in this blog will show many devoted to issues of Whence (2014) and What we know (2012 - definitely needs to be updated). Since the start, we have had several of these types of posts on a subject that will still need some attention. One approach will be to gather what has been found so far so as to evaluate the information and sources. Nothing new there. It is work, but fun. There is a lot of material on the web regarding Thomas and Margaret and variations thereof. For instance, did Thomas have a sister named Rachel? In that case, I looked at this and tried to establish sources (2015, Rachel (Nobel) Gardner).

One post looked at the period around the arrival, briefly (2013, Plus or minus the arrival - I call this the cigarette posts as the time view of the reigns look like ascending smoke). That image shows the long reign of Elizabeth I. Her time overlapped the life of Thomas' father and his birth. Recently, I have started to dig deeper. Frankly, I was motivated by seeing an article on Elizabeth and the Spanish armada incident. In other publications, I read of the various players and places. But, I also noticed Dorset (2015, Sherborne) which is where son John said that they had come from. That lead to a bunch of reading, especially to get familiar with the counties involved, Dorset and the surrounding, such as Somerset, Devon, Wiltshire, and Hampshire.

But, too, I got a better appreciation for the geography of the War of Roses (2013, Origins - Motivations). I do not like how Game of Thrones has warped  the story (only read 2 1/2 books - put it down, never watched any of the Hollywood renditions). But, then, I learned today that Shakespeare is considered a propagandists for the Tudors by historians. Nothing new, as the saying goes.

Dorset countryside
Before ending, that is Alfred the Great's territory. Of course, the Romans were there, earlier. There was a Sherborne Castle built in the time of William the Conqueror. I think Edward II had some type of confab there. It decayed and was destroyed during the Civil War. Oh yes, the next county has Stonehenge.

Let's stop with a photo out of Dorset.


We expect to move this blog to be under TGSoc.org. Once we get the new blog set up, volunteers who want to help to move things over would be gladly acknowledged.

Remarks: Modified: 09/30/2018

07/17/2018 -- As we look at things related to western expansion, we need to remember the ones who were here prior to that event. 

09/30/2018 -- Need to mention Corfe Castle that was in the area. King John used it to starve Maude and her son (Maude de Braose).