I ran across this site (Immigrants to England from 1330-1550) while pursuing Gardners who roamed between London and Dorchester, in joint research with David T. Gardner. First, I was surprised by the records from so long ago. Then, the fact that these are now transcribed and available goes along the line of the expectation of more to come, in the future.
I ran across this book earlier. In some discussion on Quora, I see that the book has a wide audience within the American community of historians. It isn't so much referenced in the U.K.
Google has a copy in preview mode: Albion's Seed, David Hackett Fischer. We will be referencing the book from time to time. Fischer discusses four pathways that map from regions in England to areas of the U.S. Of course, These are generally described.
As the 400th comes up for the many cities of New England, we can also look at the 200th of the western expansion. That will be one focus for this blog and the related sites. Below, there are a couple of snaps from the book.
In general, genealogy and history are separate, but they do intertwine. We really ought not have one without the other. So, I expect to see historical accounts be a little more sensitive about what happened to families. For instance, one example would be a lone stone out on the western prairie. It is of a Mayflower descendant. Of course, the pioneer has a slew of other New England ancestors. However, one would think the GSM would want to know what happened to the offspring of their people. In fact, mixing history and genealogy can be problematic, as I have recently found. But, that is another story.
Now, those dealing with genealogy ought to be aware of historical trends, to boot. You see, your bit of data is considered anecdotal when compared to the larger picture. Yet, it is more than that. People are not abstractions. These two types of views will be having some interesting interplays. The NEHGS might be aware of a good balance. We shall see.
So, in Albion's Seed, Thomas is only mentioned peripherally along with Joseph, his son. That may be due to Joseph's relationship with the Downing's. Sir Christopher is mentioned, too, similarly. And, we are going to be diving deeply into that story as mentioned earlier.
So, this page goes over the time prior to the start of the major pathway events. Balch and Conant are mentioned. So, too, the Maverick family comes up. We will be filling in more there.
As it says, the early parties were doing reconnaissance. Nice. In case you might wonder with regard to what, this table explains the four pathways.
The earliest deals with New England. Then, we have Virginia. Finally, the Quakers are given some attention along with the back country folk.
Historical view from way up. Having just dealt with families from the north and the south that merged in Boone's areas (which is a wide swatch), I expect to be able to use this book for some analysis and discussion. And, there are other example works like this.
The Gardner family built several mills. An early one, on South River in Salem, was built by Samuel and John, sons of Thomas and Margaret. The permission for the mill was granted in 1663 (pg 85, 1907 book of Dr. Frank).
About 1743, the Gardner mill was still in operation. One of the owners was John Gardner (#90, 1907 book) who was a descendant of George, also son of Thomas. At that time, John erected a tide mill at Forest River. John's son sold the mill.
Tide Mill Times
There were a couple of interim owners; the mill was later purchased by an in-law, Francis Peabody. John Goff, Salem Preservationist and author, recently wrote an article (Salem Gazette) about a millstone (photo) found in the Forest River area this summer. John, who is a Thomas and Margaret descendant and who has contributed to Gardner's Beacon, sent us photos.
There were several tide mills in Salem (John Goff, Tide Mill tours in and around Salem). The Tide Mill Times published the photo by John of the millstone in their "2016 Summer" issue. In that same issue, there is an article about specifics of tide mill design and operation.
The first part of John's article appeared recently: When Forest River Tide Mill made corn meal (Part 1 of 2). Part 2 of John's article will cover modernization of the mill that converted it to paint production.
Here is a summary of the family ties related to the mill:
John, son of John Gardner who was the mill's builder, married Elizabeth Pickering, sister of the noted Colonel Timothy. Their son, Samuel Pickering Gardner, went off to that wider world of Boston as did Winthrop, much earlier. Samuel married Rebecca Russell Lowell, daughter of the Judge. Samuel's and Rebecca's son, John Lowell Gardner I, married Catherine Peabody who was the sister of Francis Peabody who bought, and modernized, the mill. Finally, the son, John Lowell Gardner II, of John and Catherine married Isabella Stewart whose name adorns the Boston museum.
In the article, John notes that Ingalls and Wyman owned the mill between the Gardner and Peabody. In his 1933 book, Dr. Frank mentions that John Gardner had sold the mill in 1786 to Captain Samuel Tucker.
Recently, the foci are several. One result is that "All things Gardner" is a theme of importance. That view continues what Dr. Frank started with his Gardner list (one of the most-read posts). So, we will be updating his table of Gardner families. Too, we will get the descendants for Thomas of Salem filled in (see Wikipedia, for example - we will move this list to its own page). There as still progeny issues to research. In short, no end in sight.
Except, the 200th is coming up. That is, the western expansion that made America was it is. In my mind, that out weighs the 400th. But, they go together. Would not have one without the other. Remember, the 200th events followed Jefferson's land deal, the culmination of the 1812 skirmish, and a whole lot more. U.S. students cover this stuff in their studies.
Now, motivations come various ways. Queries help. But, following families is a necessary item. However, in doing that, along with filling in family sheets, and such, we need to keep our eyes open to places and events. And, where Gardners pop up. So, one family in a western situation (pioneering) offshoot had partnered with a Gardner. Does that not raise interest?
Well, as I started to look further, I saw other Gardners. And, I picked one to follow since it dealt with the meat of the west. Well, diary mostly (Holstein-Friesian herds). Basically, I found reports of an association where W. H. Gardner is mentioned.
Seemed to be a character. He was deaf. His wife interpreted for him. Now, that is not the usual mix one expects for a successful couple. Well, finally, I found a little bio. However, I also did searches on the U.S.Census and other sources. Finally, I found his findagrave page. His name is Malcolm Hazard Gardner. His photo looked familiar.
In short, there are things pending, but here is the findagrave. It'll be updated. It has the photo and the bio (MHGardner). Soon, there will be links to parents, siblings, and such. So, having found his father, I could identify the Gardner family. It was George of Rhode Island. This is the page for MH's grandfather in one of the books of the family.
This is typical. Dr. Frank did not go much outside of New England. Lots of books have a New England focus. I even saw one family drop a son because he moved 100 miles away. So, that is minimal in the sense of our western, big sky reality, folks. In one family book, it says that the guy is out in a western state. Well, I have filled in the missing information (to be published).
Why put the Gardner book of George? Motivation. If you look at this book, you'll see that the early chapter tells of a reunion in mid-west state in the early 1900s. That was the 300th time (and 100th time, as in not long after the wagon trains).
In both the Massachusetts Magazine (see links to the digital copies), Lucie, sister of Dr. Frank, had regular reports on genealogy. We need to pull those out to view. Last year, I went through these and referenced some articles. In fact, I found one still being cited.
Where, how, when are questions to resolve in how to handle this work and the presentation of results of work, etc.
Many people contribute to the progress of genealogy. For the most part, the work is voluntary; no doubt, it is more rewarding than not.
While looking at Nantucket Gardners, I was struck by the work of Eliza. She labored many years. Since running across her work (thank you, Eric Roth for pointing it out), I have used her database which is sponsored by the Nantucket Historical Association quite a lot.
There are efforts by many others that we will document. One of these was Dr. Frank who spent his life gathering data for his books. For a list of names of people in both books, see the person table.
In the 1907 book, Dr. Frank took his line (from Samuel) down to his grandfather, for the most part. But, he did include siblings and their offspring at several generations. The 1933 book, essentially, expands the George descendant line.
We want to fill in six or seven generation for all of Thomas' children. If there are books already that do this, please let us know. For instance, there is one on the Maine Gardners. Too, we would like to fill in a matrix with other lines. Numbers, names and relationships via a simple text tree would be a good start.
Two years ago, we received a query about Gardiner, OR. The question was: for whom was the town named? While getting information about the town in Oregon, we went through a list of places in the U.S. with the Gardner (Gardiner) name.
Turned out that Henry D. Gardiner was the namesake of the Oregon town near where his ship (barque Bostonian) wrecked in 1850. This Henry was a descendant of George of Rhode Island.
Lately, I have been following trails west in terms of the long reach of New England (both north and south). Travelers going west who left from Independence all went by Gardner, KS after which the Santa Fe and Oregon Trails split (Gardner Junction). The town was named for the Governor of Massachusetts, Henry Joseph Gardner. This Henry was a descendant of Richard of Woburn.
Today, we go to the region of the Sangre de Cristo range. This impressive range was visible to those who took the northern part of the Santa Fe Trail. Rather than cut down toward Las Vegas, NM, the travelers went west and joined up with traffic coming south from Denver and other northern points.
On their way south, the wagon went through what is now Walensburg on their way to tackle the Raton Pass. A mere 30 miles or so to the northwest of the Walensburg area, we find Gardner, CO.
The area has a long Spanish history. The Spanish Conquistadors visited. Settlement from the east began in the 1850s. The Post Office had the Gardner name in 1871. The town is named for Herbert Gardner who was the son of Governor Gardner (MA). So, Herbert was a descendant of Richard of Woburn.
The below list is of interesting reads about the area. Some have photos of the area, including a landmark named Gardner Butte.
This site brought together two old cultures. Santa Fe, which is south of Gardner, was the mainstay of northern Mexico from the 1500s. The trails carried travelers from the east on their way west. As such, the trail travelers had covered more miles.
There are a few more Gardner locations in Northern America for us to mention.
Remarks: Modified: 08/07/2016 08/07/2016 -- Gardner, CO is at the entry of the Wet Mountain Valley. Herbert Gardner introduced agriculture into the area early.
In this context, last time, we looked at Gardiners Island which was owned by one of the many families that came over early. Dr. Frank had Lion Gardiner on his lists. He had more families in his 1933 book than he had in 1907.
Other families have been added. The list in the "Gardners and Gardners" post (see Context) is being updated. Of late, we have been working with a member of the Gardner family of Pennsylvania to organize and publish information that ought to help throw some light on origin issues, both particular and general.
The following is a summary of what "King Slayer's Court" is all about. The recent finding of the remains of Richard III allows another look at several subjects that deal with the Gardners of London. Our interests are several. There may be a tie that is awaiting discover, even if it is further back in time. Too, history has taken a stance in this matter that may not be correct.
I’ve heard stories about William Gardiner and the King since I was a child, I’ve been researching and reading about the subject ever since. These stories were passed by my family, descendants of English traders.. Many stories, music and traditions of early families passed generation to generation, made their way down the trail with the westward expansion of North America. The Welsh Tract of West Jersey. This area is now known as the city of Philadelphia. My ancestors English traders arrived in 1682. They were masonic masons, traders and merchants..
In the early days of the web, back in the 1990’s, I approached the subject of William Gardiner on Netscape and AOL. The “King Richard” protectors screamed preposterous all the way to Bosworth Market.
However, let’s look back in retrospect over the last 30 years and see how this story has progressed. My query has gone from completely preposterous to right on target. According to studies done when Richard III’s remains were found, in 2012, the last English King to be killed in battle fell by a blow to the head delivered by Wyllyam Gardynyr, a common skinner, with a poleaxe. “Hog Wash” of 30 years ago was confirmed to be true.
I find it interesting that the stories that families have passed generation to generation on the Welsh Tract of Pennsylvania (the tales of Lords, Ladies, Kings, Great Battles and better times in England) have ultimately stood the test of time. As we enter the digital age and the information of past generations is uploaded, it seems to be painting a picture that has been left unfinished for many generations.
We live in exciting times, my friends. Even a single forgotten document, just one seemingly unimportant piece of information now scanned to the internet~? Can (should) cause us to examine everything we think we thought we knew about our history. This is the story of King Slayer’s Court. I intend to publish what I have heard; then, we will go back and provided references so as to establish the proper story.
This following lists a few facts about William and Richard Gardner that we will address further.
William Gardiner was indeed Knighted
William Gardiner was married to Ellen Tudor
William Gardiner was the brother of Alderman Richard Gardiner
William Gardiner was the Father of the Thomas Gardiner "King's chaplain, son and heir, born in London say 1479”
Richard Gardiner was controlling what’s now considered one of the most lucrative trade syndicates on Earth.
Richard Gardiner was in possession of RIII debt, Holding Crown Jewels as collateral.
Richard Gardiner was official representative of City of London to greet Henry VII
The Gardiner family has a long, yet still undocumented relationship with the Royal Family.
Lord John Gardiner, Baron of Kimble is current Vice Chamberlain and Captain of Yeomen of the guard.
Several items of interest come from this overview that we can pursue. An example would be the differences between views: Wikipedia (Gardiner not mentioned) vs King's Slayer Court. History is more than what is written. Too, some viewpoints never get expressed.