8th generation

TL;DR -- We have several threads that relate families to events and their themes. For instance the 5th generation did the Revolution, guided by the 4th and assisted by the 6th. Post the Revolution, the western activity kicked into higher gear. The 7th generation was involve out west early. Now, with the 8th, we can bring in the Civil War and further looks at western activity. 

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We have used generation often without much definition, example - Fifth generation (the Revolution). Then, we talked of others, such as the 4th (leadership during the Revolution) or later generations. Of course, this is a topic which will always be with us: "Generations" and its use, About generations. As well, we are using a thread about the History of Harvard to follow 400 years of the U.S. 

So, it's time to put 'generation' to work on a usual basis. Today, after looking at our post on Judge F. M. Thompson, we looked at his generation. F.M. contributed to the Massachusetts Magazine. Too, some of this material was collected into a book, Tenderfoot in Montana. Now, his mother was a Adams (WikiTree) so we will now use the Adams family to compare lives of cousins, like we did with those in the lineage of Grizzly and John Quincy and with Dr. Frank's book.  

In short, F.M. was of the 8th generation. As such, his western jaunt is of interest as this is the second wave where the first wave consisted of the earlier group, such as Jedediah Strong Smith. Jedediah's group were the early explorers out west; too, they got the carving of the land started with its result of a century of the frontier. If we were to pick a major event in the U.S. related to this generation, it would be the U.S. Civil War. 

Seal of the 
Territory of Montana

F.M. was in New England at the start of the conflict. He was on the west coast and at in-between locations for a lot of the duration of the war. We will let him describe his experiences for himself. For now, here are a few posts related to F.M. and his jaunts. 

• The Indelible Mark of Francis Thompson (2015) -- offered by the Montana Historical Society, this posts gives us some flavor of his impact in that region. 
• Sesqui-centennial (1903) -- F.M. celebrated by Greenfield, MA. 
• The NEHGR (1917, Vol 21) -- Memoirs of the NEHGS 

We will be back to this post as we define more generations and their contributions. Generations overlap. So, we can talk a mid-point and spread. Then, how about some fuzzy logic, such as: mostly late 7th and somewhat early 8th? There are other methods that could be used. Too, we need to pick one of two choices: either the generation of Thomas and Margaret are in the count or not. We have mixed this a little, to date, and will get that issue settled before we bring generations further into our model for discussing dynamics of change in the sense of history. 

So, following up on John Quincy Adams, we find Mary Gardner (Adams) Quincy. On looking at the Gardner connection, she is a descendant of Thomas and Margaret of Cape Ann and Salem. In terms of Grizzly Adams, his son, Seymour Adams, served in the Civil War. That shows some credence for our counting this type of segregation. 

Let's check the Harvard connections. The two Presidents during the conflict were Cornelius Felton (1860-1862) and Thomas Hill (1862-1868). We have not looked at these two as of yet. For now, let's take Felton whose brother, Samuel, was a railroad engineer. He was President of the Philadelphia, Wilmington, and Baltimore Railroad during the "pivotal Civil War" era. 

Remarks: Modified: 09/29/2022

07/09/2022 -- Add NEHGS Proceedings entry for F.M. that appeared in the 1917 NEHGR.  

09/29/2022 -- Col. T. W. Higginson was of the 8th generation. 

"Generations" and its use

TL;DR - An article in The New Yorker on recent generations motives a look at the dozen or so generations since John Winthrop's arrival. We have had several posts on generations and find the divisions to be of use. 30 years or 25 years? The graphic shows 30 years. With our database, we will be able to see how much of a range there is similar to the Mayflower data that showed the long span of their fifth generation. 

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Meaning, of course, that the use of generation is arbitrary. A classical value was 30 years for a long time. We sort of stumbled on 25 years for various reasons. 

In a recent New Yorker, Louis Menand of Harvard reviewed a couple of books on the subject. His article was titled, It’s Time to Stop Talking About “Generations” , and covers some interesting points. Louis is a Professor of English. He was at Harvard Law before going over to Columbia for his Ph.D. His mother wrote a biography of Samuel Adams, so we will look at him further. 

With respect to the reviews, his graphic is an eye-catcher, showing the last four generations as we see in the press: Boomer, Gen X, Millennials, Gen Z. Each of these four is considered to be about 15 years. Louis argues that these are very arbitrary giving not much more information than one finds with astrology. However, generations do make sense. In the graphics, we have a 30-year generational look that shows the Boomers to be in the 12th generation which is about right as looking back at Thomas Gardner and Margaret Fryer that is how many lines get filled in, say for an application to a heritage society. 

This post wanted to bring in motivations for looking more closely at generations. Too, this will be a regular type of study and report. We have had many posts so far on generational themes. Here are a few. 

• Fifth generation - From July of 2020 when we were diving into the databases of SAR/DAR as well as looking at the particular families who were associated with events. The 5th bearing the brunt? Lots and lots to look at there. 
• Hundred years - From June of 2020 as we got to looking at a spectral approach. Going backward from now: 100th (Dr. Frank's time), 200th (western expansion), 250th (Revolution), 300th (not long after the Witch fiasco, 400th (Weymouth next year, then Gloucester, then rolling on). 
• America's Lost Generation - From November of 2020 when we realized by looking at families as we helped people with their applications that lots and lots of problems arise when people move several hundreds of miles away to someplace without infrastructure. Then, genealogists, in their antiquated logic, blame some brick wall when it's their thinking on the issue. Lots to discuss. If Lyman Porter is a sore spot, so be it. The recent database has him, a daughter, and brothers. Database? Yeap, from MF applications that were accepted. 

The frontier century was over 100 years long and potentially spans from three to five generations. We will be looking at that. 

Remarks: Modified: 01/08/2023

11/02/2021 --  Updated the graphic. 

11/03/2021 -- Lucy F. (Wilson) Gardner is of the seventh (or sixth) generation.  

01/08/2023 -- We had another icon (Charles Thomson) come up for our 250th (1774, Continental Congress) and 400th (Cape Ann as one of the first of the capitalization attempts of history). 

America's Lost Generation

TL;DR -- There seems to be a common problem for some families who had the frontier experience that is harder than that of the wilderness in terms of tracking. As the edge moved west, consistent paperwork lagged. To be expected. 

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The computer has brought forth lots and lots of stuff. Some might be good; a lot is not. However, research reports can be on the good side of things. And, in history/genealogy, the web (computer's gift) has brought lots to bear. For instance, this post from 2014 talks a little about research being done by NEHGS staff on their ancestors. The image on the left came from this post. It shows the arrival years. Notice the peak around 1635. And, the drop off at 1640 is obvious. The image on the right shows the spread of the 5th generation taken from the research of the GSMD (How many years are there in a generation?). This work was in 2018. Both of these came from the Vita Brevis blog that started in January 2014. 

    

Seeing these types of analysis got us to thinking about our own data and blogs. We started to look at generations, for instance, and will continue. But, for different groups of generations, we need to dig deeper. This is an example. We have seen 'lost' used several times in modern history usually in an economic sense. Japan experienced one of these, very recently. Some wondered about the 2008 downturn. Now, we will have unseen effects from the COVID19 situation. 

But, we are using it in the genealogy/history sense. The 5th generation bore the brunt of the Revolution. The 6th generation were those too young to participate. However, by 1800, they were adults. Ignoring the War of 1812 for this view, we can see that lots of that generation moved taking the 7th generation with them. Our focus is the western expansion where people from the northern and the southern New England met up in the west and intermingled.

By way of comparison, we also include the 4th generation who provided the leadership in the Revolution having been trained under the auspices of the King. That is, the story will pick up with the 5th but have material about the influence of the 4th. Below are some examples including some that are post-Revolution period across several families who were spread around. What we have noticed is that there were many families who moved once peace was settled, and Thomas Jefferson opened up the west. The experience of those families resulted in an informational gap that researchers will have to fill in. The issues get more difficult as the movement went further west. 

• John Sayward (4th gen) - His parents were in Gloucester where he was born, but they had come down from Maine due to troubles up there.  John left the area but did not go far. He was in Ipswich and tracked down through a friend, John Leatherland, with whom he served in the French/Indian affair and whose sister, Elizabeth, he married. John Sayward also served in the Revolution. See TEG, Vol. 34:4 (TGA Vol I:2). 
• John Graves (5th gen) - His parents went out in Ipswich Canada. What? Turns out that this is upper Worcester County. Indian problems sent the family back to Ipswich. See TEG, Vol. 34:2 (TGA, IV:1). This is an example of the early western movement. 
• Early Ipswich family (5th gen) -- Went south to CT under the auspices of the church. Then, one side went west to NJ; the other returned to MA. 
• Lyman Porter (7th gen) - His father was the 6th gen and went out west. Lyman married into a family that was out of both north and south New England. Lyman is buried in NE. His wife, Caroline, is buried in Los Angeles CA. See TGA Vol. III:1.  See Remarks (11/01/2021) about the new MF database of applications to 1900 where on can look up names. Sure enough, Lyman is there with a daughter and brothers. We will use Lyman as the core of the Lost Generation.  
• Family out of NC (7th gen) - Post the revolution, the family went to TN (following Boone). There, they were involved in establishing a church that spread through TN, the surrounding area, and overseas. The next generation took the family (6th gen) to the western edge of MO in the 1820s which is quite early and where they continued the church work which included circuit riding to visit pioneering families (sometimes being away months at a time). Then, there elements of AR, OK, and early TX.  
• Family out of MA (6th gen) - They moved west through NY, OH, and IN. The western trek through succeeding generations include IA, NE, SD, ND, and MT. 
• Family out of MA (6th gen) - Stopped in NY. Then, a generation moved south and then west. However, the MA-NY movement has not been established in detail as of yet. The case, though, illustrates the issues.    

So, the 'lost' could apply to several generations, albeit we will look at the ones that had descendants coming toward this time. The pattern would be that the movement would lead the paper mill which does the churning in establishing being and identity. One question is how long was that lag before the bureaucracy caught up. Well, that depended upon the location. Too, in many cases, there was an early death. Like with Lyman's daughter and son-in-law, they had a child who was very young when she died and he not long after. But, he lived long enough for a step-mother to come into the picture. The probate records suggest the tale. 

We are taking this focus as we have seen these gaps enough to suggest an interesting pattern. Besides, it makes the drudge work of tracing people more fun; this can provide lots of potential stories to research and write. 

BTW, everyone say brick wall. We say, lots of those walls are not 'brick' at all (also, TGA, Vol IV:1) but are contrived by  mindsets. 

Remarks: Modified: 07/11/2024

05/02/2021 -- We need to move to a focus on the frontier century where lots of families obtained their hole in the paper trail. But, these can be bridged. As well, we can look at modern examples as a type of juxtaposition: Two different times. 

11/01/2021 -- So, now the MF people have a database of those in applications to 1900. And, guess who is there? Lyman and his daughter, Anna. These are the father and sister of Chloe. And, the applicants who were in their 90s? Deceased. Now, with regard to why people were lost? We were looking at a family where one of the boys went from NC to AR. This was almost two decades prior to the Civil War. On the modern map, that distance is over 900 miles through woods, over mountains, and across rivers. Oh, go home for the weekend by flitting over the interior of the country on an aeroplane? Then, there is the fact that these families were in several states. 

07/11/2024 -- Image missing, Vita Brevis, at NEHGS. 

Generations, again

TL;DR -- Starting with  Dr. Frank's 1907 book, we begin a look at the generational stack with the intent to go to WikiTree, next.

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Lately, the generation theme has looked at major events in the U.S. history, starting with the Revolution. That was the ordeal of the 4th and 5th generations. Then, we had the 6th and 7th that were involved with the expansion of the American sphere of influence both internally (western expansion, et al) and in the world. Part of that was generating wealth, unbounded, for some families. At the same time, there were turmoils to consider. So, we will be trying to organizing these topics and the corresponding studies with respect to generations using several (actually many) families.

In terms of time spread of the generations, we can use the Mayflower example for comparison. Say, during the Revolution, we would have had people from the 4th, 5th, and 6th generations involved. Too, there may have even been some remnants of the 3rd and early entrants of the 7th generations around and about. The theme is, though, that 'cohort' is a useful concept which can be used to help with the categorizations. Using generations allows us to have a focus on families.

In his 1907 book, Dr. Frank starts the 3rd generation with #12 Lt. Thomas Gardner (bp 1645 - 1695), son of #2 Lt. Thomas Gardner ( - 1682) and Hannah (pg 101).

• He starts the 4th generation with #61 Thomas Gardner (1671 - 1696), son of #12 Thomas (pg 134). This generation includes #69 John Gardner (1681 - 1732), son of #22 Samuel Gardner (1647 - 1724) and Elizabeth Browne (pg 140). 
• He starts the 5th generation with #87 Habakkuk Gardner (1707 - 1762), son of #62 Capt Habakkuk Gardner (1673 - 1732) and Ruth Gedney (pg 162). This generation includes #105 Capt Jonathan Gardner (1728 - 1791) who served in both the French-Indian and Revolutionary wars (pg 178). Also, included is #129 Simon Stacey Gardner (bp 1743 - b 1787) who is the 2nd-great-grandfather of Dr. Frank. (pg 195). 
• He starts the 6th generation with #139 John Gardner (1739 - 1805), son of #90 Capt John Gardner (bp 1706 - 1784) and Elizabeth Putnam. (pg 198). This generation includes #188 Jonathan Gardner (bp 1773 -1839), son of Simon Stacey Gardner (pg 283), and concludes with #192 John Gardner (1793 - 1834), son of #133 Joseph Gardner () and Anna Edee (pg 301). His daughter, #368 Harriett (1833 - 1887), is the last person named in the 1907 book of Dr. Frank. 

In the details for generation six, Dr. Frank gives information about the children and grand children. That gets us to the 7th and 8th generations. Given that we want to use Thomas' children as the 1st generation, Dr. Frank has given us a start on looking at the first of the seven generations. In that last generation, we will be looking at the U.S. Civil War.

Earlier, we did a table that listed the names in the two books. This list will be extended.

Remarks: Modified: 07/29/2020

07/29/2020 -- See next post for a Table of names from above.

5th generation

TL;DR -- Marked by the arrival by boat, it was the 5th generation that bore the onus of establishing the new country. The 6th generation got things going with regard to progress and growth of the country. The 7th generation were the first to see proceeds start to accumulate.

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Here, we are looking at a broad-scope generation rather than for the 25-year assumption that can be used for a family. We will use some lines of descendancy from Thomas and Margaret and a few of the closely related families. As well as look further at the 6th and 7th generations, we have to note that the 5th generation from Thomas' time was responsible for the start of the U.S. Here are some posts related to the theme of the Revolution and its follow-on conflict, 1812. 

• Regimental History Series (July 2015)
• Spirit of '76 (March 2018) 
• Henry Gardner, the Loyalist (October 2016)
• USS Merrimack - 1798 (June 2012)
• Gardner-Pingree house (and murder) (December 2011)
• Samuel Knapp Gardner (July 2011) 
• Ebenezer Gardner of Maine (March 2011)

Spirit of '76

There have been several issues of Gardner's Beacon with the theme of the Revolution. Given the sacrifices of the 5th generation, we can set the tone for looking at the 7th. In this list, some are related to the time of Thomas and Margaret. Otherwise, they may be related to another colonial which we will identify.

Looking at the Elizabeth's that we featured, earlier in posts, their generation (fuzzily picked, until further notice) is 5th. That wasn't planned.

The list is in order of the posts.

• Elizabeth (Gardner) Blanchard - 6th generation (Note: 07/29/2020 -- she was marked 5th until we started to follow the generational lines.)  
• Elizabeth (Gardner) Gardner - 5th generation; her husband was 4th. 
• Elizabeth (Gardner) Dabney Bridges Stevens -  5th generation. 

It was the mention of the first Elizabeth in the American Ancestor's magazine that got the little study going. As noted, an Elizabeth (Gardner) Armory was mentioned even earlier; that was in reference to the "1st governor" reference that we saw in Dr. Frank's books. 

Remarks: Modified: 08/09/2020

07/26/2020 -- The 4th was involved with the Revolution, as well. They were trained for this via their support Crown in the French Indian War of the 1750s. We will look at that generation, as well.

07/28/2020 -- Have done several posts related to generations: 5th generation, 6th generation, 7th generation, 1900 back, American 100s, First five, and About generations.

08/09/2020 -- Added image for our portal to truth (TGSoc.org). 

6th generation

TL;DR -- The 5th accomplished the split from England; the 6th workhorse'd the 1812 ordeal; the 7th enjoyed the fruits of the labor of the prior two. Essentially.

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We can note that the fifth generation was involved with the start of the U.S. Too, there can be a focus on the seventh generation as the first to truly enjoy the benefits. International trade boomed after the 1812 conflict was resolved. Lots of families became quite prominent from various commercial activities.

So, what of the sixth, the sandwich generation? Well, we are doing this exercise to start collecting some notion of the descendants of Thomas and Margaret. The GSMD based their silver books on the fifth generation. We used a George descendant to look at the GSMD (Deeper dive - we'll have much more to write) and its relation to our goals. There were many intermarriages twixt people in Essex County and those in the lower set of counties.  

Also, we wanted to come further toward 1900, as that would include Dr. Frank's generation. However starting with the seventh has some appeal as they experienced the U.S. Civil War.  

first issue 

August 28, 1845

A cousin of Dr. Frank's was mentioned in a book review (WSJ, May 30-31). The book was about Colt (pistol king), but the reviewer took a look at some of his cohorts. One was Rufus Porter. That got our attention. As the George descendant is also a Porter descendant, through Hathorne as is Dr. Frank. There were two major Porter families (one of Essex County and another of Connecticut). John Porter of Essex County was neighbor of Thomas Gardner. Two of John's daughters married Hathorne. The daughter of one of these couples married the grandson of Thomas. This couple was buried near Thomas on Gardner's Hill, and their grave is one of those that needs further research. Though, their stone is in Harmony Grove Cemetery (see 29 December 1674 and several related posts). 

Rufus Porter via Wikitree

The book reviewer was noting that there had been a upsurge of industry with Rufus Porter's generation with lots of invention going on, the western movement, and wealth creation. Rufus, himself, went to California. What caught the eye, initially, was that he started Scientific American in 1845. He sold it, but the magazine made note of his passing. 

Having been born in 1792, Rufus was on the late side of the sixth generation.  We have not established a start year or end year, yet, but will be researching a reasonable selection. Perhaps, one approach might be to pick some example of the 5th (First five), 6th, and 7th generations for each of the children. And, picking both a son and a daughter, not necessarily the same couple, might interesting.

Remarks: Modified: 07/29/2020

07/28/2020 -- Have done several posts related to generations: 5th generation, 6th generation, 7th generation, 1900 back, American 100s, First five, and About generations.

07/29/2020 -- Have started to follow the generational lines, first using Dr. Frank's demarcations.

7th Generation

TL;DR -- We look at the 7th generation from the early arrivals.  

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In the last post, we looked at a lineage for the GSMD and decided to pay some attention to the parents, first. That got us to looking a the 7th generation which is motivated by the Mayflower 5th generation project which we looked at with respect to the question of "how long is a generation?". In the case of the Plymouth folk, that generation went from before 1698 until after 1757. That is, much longer than people talk about a generation.

Note: see 5th generation, 6th generation. The former for the Revolution in conjunction with the 4th generation. The second with the start of the real progress of the U.S.

There have been several issues of Gardner's Beacon with the theme of the Revolution. Given the sacrifices of the 5th generation, we can set the tone for looking at the 7th. In this list, some are related to the time of Thomas and Margaret. Otherwise, they may be related to another colonial which we will identify. 

The original list has been pared down to two entries. We will update this list for the near future as we write several posts as we look closely at the issues of identity, lineage, and such. 

• Lucy Foster Wilson Gardner who was grandmother of Dr. Frank. 
• Lyman was born in 1819 in New England and died, and was buried, out west. In between, he was in several states, so we have to go through that. Too, Lyman's father was out west, died there, but was taken back east for burial. Some of Lyman's brothers were out west too; enough were in the east so that we can do a major east-west (least-best) summary of things. After all, this is mandated by the 'flyover' thinking that is still around. 
• Another family of that era had a traveling preacher (see below) who was born in 1814. This was the time when the data of frontier was captured in church records. We will look at that family more closely, later, as it involved Mayflower, to boot. 
• For Dr. Frank, the seventh generation is his father, Stephen Wilson Gardner (a late 1835). BTW, Dr. Frank is related to Lyman who was from the same Porter family as was Dr. Frank's ancestor who was married to the sister of John Hathorne and who tried to help Rebecca Nurse before she was 'hung' (using that, folks, as this is an old word - modern connotations are bogus) by the neck. 
• In his tree, John Lowell Gardner, born 1804, is in the seventh generation. Dr. Frank wrote of this family in his 1933 book, so we'll be back to them. 
• Tying into the look at Elizabeths, we would have Elizabeth (Gardner) Blanchard as the fifth generation with the seventh being her granddaughter: Elizabeth Cabot Blanchard (born 1809). 
• The daughter of Lucretia Mott would be of the early seventh generation having been born in 1793. 
• Aldophus Greeley, of the Two cousins, would be seventh, too. However, he is of the later time, having been born in 1844. We will look at his cousin.
• Last year, we saw a photo in an on-line situation where old photos were discussed and detailed. We identified the person: Thomas Needham Gardner who was born in 1804.  
• ... many, many more will be added

The 7th generation is a nice start since we now have people approaching the 12th generation. Too, we are close to the 250th of the U.S. Revolution. Next up, we will look at Lyman and his wife, Caroline, prior to revisiting their daughter, Chloe. 

Remarks: Modified: 11/03/2021

07/04/2020 -- The 4th was involved with the Revolution, as well. They were trained for this via their support Crown in the French Indian War of the 1750s. We will look at that generation, next.

07/28/2020 -- Have done several posts related to generations: 5th generation, 6th generation, 7th generation, 1900 back, American 100s, First five, and About generations.

11/03/2021 -- Added Lucy Foster Wilson Gardner. 

First five

1st 5 (or so), we might add. In the latest Gardner's Beacon (Vol. IX, No. 3), we mentioned that we want to have a focus, for as long as needed, to get the first five generations filled in for the children of Thomas and Margaret. This has been discussed before (About generations) in the context of the story of Thomas and Margaret. We would include the collateral families. One example is our look at the Elizabeths () which will be expanded by other names.

A question might come up about format. In the initial stages, there are not many restrictions. Let us see what you have. Too, for your ancestor who is a descendant, please find the latest entry that you can on WikiTree. And, let us know this.

Examples to discuss:

• Richard on WikiTree: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gardner-127
• Dr. Frank, ahnentafels (grandparents, both handcrafted):
•                 Benjamin Brown Gardner and Lucy Foster Wilson 
• Correction to The Essex Genealogist: Graves Family of Ipswich, Ahnentafel (handcrafted)  

There are other formats. We're looking for articles for the next two issues of The Gardner Annals (to be completed by February - note: not, a virus struck). After that, we'll reformat and print as a book. So, right now, the material can be rough.

The key thing is to have sources, as much as possible. 

Remarks: Modified: 10/27/2020

01/04/2020 -- As we do this work, we will still be looking at origins: Margaret's family. 

07/28/2020 -- Have done several posts related to generations: 5th generation, 6th generation, 7th generation, 1900 back, American 100s, First five, and About generations.

10/27/2020 -- Slowly getting ready to edit Margaret's WikiTree profile. 

Threads through five generations

When we did the list of descendants that is on the Wikipedia page for Thomas, we browsed books, other genealogical sites, found connections, and did a quick assessment. For each entry, we put a year to relate their period plus identified the child.

Yesterday, we looked at some of these. And, picked Ezra Pound since he was documented on WikiTree. For Ezra, there was a link to his Wikipedia page, a note that he was ca. 1880s, and that his ancestor was Richard. We also looked at several others. Ezra Cornell is of Richard, too, but we need to review what has been done for him as there is some conflicting information. We found out that Gilbert Hovey Grosvenor is a descendant of Lion Gardner. In the mode of 'All things Gardner' work, we will move these to a side list showing these other families.

Today, we checked several other entries and considered that we need to approach this from the viewpoint of getting descendants of the children identified which would lead to the first five generations being written up. Along that line, the below list is a start. For now, we'll show the chart that maps to Henry VIII for its potential to show how collateral families come into play.

These can be thought of as threads. Some research might find them useful. I did. Those with resources have more motivation, too. I found that looking at work done by those folks would help with other lines, various ways.

This is a partial list with no particular order.

• Samuel - see Dr. Frank and Henry VIII
• Richard - see Ezra Pound, Nathaniel Gorham, Edith Kermit (Carow) Roosevelt 
• Thomas and George - see Nathaniel Bowditch
• George - see Alice Hathaway (Lee) Roosevelt
• Sarah - see Charles G. Dawes (he is also descendant of Thomas Gardner of Roxbury) 
• Seeth -- this will be a little different. Seeth married 1) Joshua Conant. He died. She married 2) John Grafton. One descendant is John Albion Andrew who was the 25th Governor of Massachusetts (1861-1866). The Essex Inst Hist  Coll (Vols 27-28) has part of his pedigree. See WikiTree (John Albion Andrew).  
• John -- see Henry Clay Folger, Jr. 

We still need one from Miriam. 

Remarks: Modified: 12/09/2019

12/09/2019 -- We have been featuring the children at our portal to truth.

Two generations

These posts may appear irregularly, for awhile; that is due, mainly, to the large amount of material that needs to be read, digested, correlated, counted (the mind has a metrical basis) and such.

Thomas was an early arriver (1623/24); then, the tree for his direct descendant that I'm working on has several hundred New England families in it that were here before 1650. That means that these families have many generations here, too. Fortunately, a lot of these families have researched their history both here and on the other side of the pond.

For Thomas' past, before his arrival (which we'll get to), I am going to consider that James Savage was the most insightful as his family originates from the area that he proposed for Thomas. In fact, some of the trees associated with the Gardner one that I'm working have a Savage somewhere in the line. We will have posts looking backward, hopefully for Margaret, too.

In total in the above-mentioned tree, there are almost 100 families claiming royal descent (Ole's blog, example), some of these are on the NEHGS list. The interplay of the plebian and the aristocratic will be a story that we will have to feature from time to time. One modern analyst made the claim that a source for recent problems can be attributed to aristocratic notions being maintained in England and being brought over here by some.

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As mentioned before, Thomas, and his life, can be the foundation for very good discussions that may have a lot to add to understanding the current quandary brought on, for the most part, by those considered to be the 'best and brightest' (give us a break).

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Now, to consider this side of paradise, let's go forward from Thomas. Like the Mayflower group, with their list for three generations, we'll start with Thomas' kids and carry this forward a couple of notches as a means to identify gaps.

In the below list, we'll start first with information from Dr Frank's book about spouses and children. There may be pointers to work done already, for some, but only as an example (meaning, of course, to be verified). Also, the pointer may be only to partial information. At some point, the goal is to pull this data together, hopefully with a full tree that includes both genders' offspring. That is, for each generation, fill in the information for all siblings, to the extent possible, of course.

Note: The links for Thomas' grandkids below (bold and larger font) came from the work of Kathleen Hall Boyce who spent 2010 looking at the Gardners.

• Thomas - m. 1st Hannah __ (Mary, Thomas, Eliza, Abigaile, Bethia, Hannah, Jonathan), Elizabeth __ (David, Susannah, Dorcas)
• George - m. 1st Eliza Horne (Hannah, Samuel, Mary, George, Bethiah, Ebenezer, Mehitable, Ruth), 2nd Mrs Ruth Turner, 3rd Mrs Elizabeth Stone
• Richard - m. Sarah Shattuck (Joseph, Richard, Sarah, Deborah, Damorice, James, Miriam, Nathaniel, Hope, Love)
• John -m. Priscilla Grafton (John, Joseph, Priscilla, Benjamin, Rachell, George, Benjamin, Ann, Nathaniel, Mary, Mehitable, Ruth)
• Samuel - m. 1st Mary White (Mary, Eliza, Mary, Margaret, Samuel, George, Jonathan, Hannah, Abel), 2nd Elizabeth Paine -- This is the descendant tree that I'm following. rootsweb.com is interesting. Here is a descendants chart for Samuel and a pedigree chart for Abel, his son. Some pedigree charts are a little more extensive (to be checked edited 04/16/2012).
• Joseph - m. Ann Downing
• Sarah - m. Benjamin Balch (Samuel, Benjamin, John, Joseph, Freeborn, Sarah, Abigail, Ruth, Mary, Jonathan, David)
• Miriam - m. John Hill (Miriam, William Hascall, Susan)
• Seeth -m. 1st Joshua Conant, 2nd John Grafton (Mary, Joseph Hardy, Seeth , Abigail, Jehoadam, Margaret, Nathaniel)

Remarks:

10/25/2020 -- Descendants, finally. We're getting back to work.

11/26/2019 -- At the portal to truth, we are featuring the kids. So, this post will be updated.

12/07/2018 -- Dr. Frank and WikiTree. Using his hand-written notes, we filled in his mother's line this past summer. Too, we are going to focus on filling in the gaps. 

10/25/2018 -- We have a new look: TGSoc.org. And, we are using WikiTree (example of Samuel/Abel) with the goal of getting the first five generations documented. Some of these links may be stale (will be checking). 

02/01/2013 -- Update rootsweb link to Larson tree. 

04/16/2012 -- Changed link, Samuel. When these databases get updated, pointers change. So, we really need to have a query-based approach. In the meantime, go to 'Index' and enter the name. In this case, it was "Gardner, Thomas" which then brings up the right person. The graph is via Pedigree. 

08/29/2011 -- A little more about Miriam.

03/17/2011 -- Another descendants list (Langsdorf, et al) for Sarah.

01/09/2011 -- We'll have posts related to the madness of 1692.

12/20/2010 -- For Ruth, daughter of George, see post on the Hathorne connection.

12/16/2010 -- A descendants chart for Miriam: Susan

11/28/2010 -- The pedigree for Thomas Gardner (Salem) at the Boyce site changed. So, the link has been removed. Since databases at rootsweb are updated regularly, pages can change. Hence, the procedure might be to do an image capture of the tree, or a portion, with a link to the current tree. That, folks, is one maintenance item that will be required for web-based approaches. This is a type of degradation. Another item removed today was a pointer that was to a local file rather than to a web-based file.

11/10/2010 -- Ole Larson is back. His genealogy site.

10/31/2010 -- About cousin calculations.

10/31/2010 -- For RD example, switched from the excellent example of Ole Larson (his blog has disappeared -- evidently he died in August, 2010) to the blog of the Slovak Yankee, for now.

10/29/2010 -- Another thing to look at will be the famous cousin game as it seems to be ubiquitously present; that is, it is found seemingly everywhere that there is a genealogical site. We have already started a list of Thomas' descendants which can be extended as we learn more. Cousins can be extracted from that list. As well, interplays between all of the families brings in another set. So far, I've identified relationships in the tree with 27 of the Presidents of the USA. Then, the list of luminaries is large, many in the arts and sciences. Of course, attainment in some religious sense is represented, too. Then, we have that for which Salem is famous.

Needless to say, and given that Thomas was in Salem early, we'll need to look at the mania of 1692 which, by the way, is apropos to the topic of two generations. We've already shown that [Nathaniel, offspring of] John Hathorne (the main judge) was a descendant of Thomas. And, many of Thomas' descendants have a number of those involved in the Salem area troubles as grands (parents, aunts, and uncles) in their tree.

Modified: 10/25/2020